This past year has been illuminating for me. All my life I have sought truth. From my earliest years I have loved God. Experiencing the weird paranormal world very early on, I have always sought to understand what it was, how it worked, and what can be learned and gained from this knowledge. Oh, I could even say I am a bit like Solomon in that I have dabbled in a myriad of systems. I am glad God forgives us when we realize we have screwed up. No, I’ve never broken a law or endangered a life. I have looked deeply into thing though that many either ignore due to disinterest or our of fear. There really are things that go bump in the night and appear from nowhere and return just as quickly.
I understand the doubting Thomas who until they see something they just are not going to believe it. I think some stuff is made up or created in our minds, but some stuff just isn’t, especially when it’s experienced by a group together or by individuals at different times without foreknowledge something could happen. Thus, I endeavored to understand the unseen world of spirit, ghosts, aliens, entities, and things of folklore. I would go to the library and read books about all kinds of unusual topics. It was in the 1980’s that I discovered David Icke and read his work, “Children of the Matrix” which I found very interesting. Through the years I have watched videos, read more and continued my research. I also continued my research into ancient history, hidden archeology, biblical texts and other esoteric books as well as alternative authors such as Jordan Maxwell, Theosophy, Cooper to name a few. I would read and ponder various ideas postured. The whole theme often brought up of “repeat stories copying the Messianic tale” seemed to come up over and over. Thus, I dug into Jordan Maxwell recently and realized just how off he was on his religious teachings and obvious hatred of Christianity. Oh, I think he’s very informative on New Age Agenda in the Political / Governmental control of the world, but he is another pied piper for the astro-theology one world religion. So, now it seems is David Icke. It’s time to stop just reading what the charismatic men write, but start examining it. Listen to those with personal experience. This letter is from a once devoted fan of Icke’s. It seems that the “guru” mentality is just exploding. From Maxwell, Wilcock, and now Icke the need to feed their egos, inability to admit they are wrong and certainly unable to come clean about plain old lies we have an epidemic of new false prophets. They channel, change the bible, lie about sources, and appear to treat people around them in their personal lives like crap. It’s not new, but it’s time to really see what is behind the curtain:
Something Every Truth Seeker Should See
I have been studying David Icke and related material for years now, I think he is on a mission to awaken humanity to the coming changes in consciousness, and I feel that I, as well as many others on this forum, owe him a great deal of thanks for all his efforts.
I have read Truth Vibrations, Love Changes Everything, David Icke’s Autobiography, I am me I am free, The Biggest Secret and Infinite Love is the Only Truth, Everything Else is Illusion (his best work to date).
I have seen countless hours of his live performances, heard countless hours of radio interviews and even went to see him twice at the Brixton Academy.
I also have his latest book on order if Amazon will ever decide to send it (I have been waiting for 2 months now!).
In fact, I have invested so much time and funds into David Icke, that I personally feel I would be a good moderator for this site, if I had the time to do so.
However I am devastated at what is happening in this forum, it has now become unacceptable to criticize anything David Icke says, and people are having their threads deleted just for having the audacity to speak a word against him.
He is not a perfect man, nobody is, and I feel that if we want freedom of speech ourselves, that we should allow others to say how they feel even if it is in direct opposition to our thoughts and feelings.
What do you guys (and gals) think?
I have recently come across some writings of a man named Ivan Fraser.
According to Ivan, he has met David Icke many times, has met Linda Icke and many others connected to him; apparently he even proof read the biggest secret before it was published.
Now I’m not trying to open up a can of worms here, however I do feel that there are some issues that need to be addressed, especially in regards to this forum.
I just really want to know what other people think regarding this information.
Ivan Fraser was apparently banned from this forum for speaking out against David Icke, and for a community so dedicated to freedom of speech, I find this very hypocritical and downright arrogant.
David Icke is definitely helping to awaken the masses and I truly am grateful for his efforts, however he is not infallible, and people should have the freedom to criticize him.
Of course others are free to disagree with what others say, but if we are all campaigning for freedom of speech, then we should allow others to have the same right, even when, in fact especially when they disagree with what we think.
We all know democracy is a fallacy; however we should at least uphold the principles behind it if that’s what we stand for, i.e. equality and freedom for all.
Here is what Ivan Fraser said regarding Icke:
“My own role in the Biggest Secret saga was that I was asked by David to help him check spelling and offer any further information to his initial draft of the book.
It was following my input that David was introduced to Arizona and heard her revelations, which subsequently became a focal point within the book and used as ‘evidence’ to support various themes outlined therein.
Having discussed my concerns with David’s wife and having sent David e-mails outlining my concerns over errors in his book and a feeling I have that he has been set up with misinformation and been the target of psychic manipulation, over a period from before publication to very recently (September 1999), and as yet having absolutely no feedback from David about any of the major concerns, I decided to publish my findings at the David Icke website forum.
Consequently, I was banned from attending that forum by David Icke.”
Now I don’t know how much of this is true, however if it is, this is absolutely disgraceful.
The moderators on this forum should be ashamed of themselves.
How dare they censor others when they too demand the right to be heard?
I have had several threads shut down myself regarding the “DAVID ICKE LEGAL DEFENSE FUND” which despite several communications with forum moderators, I am still highly suspect of. We were told we would hear the full story one day, and so far have been told nothing.
I personally donated over £100 to this cause, and I feel that I, as well as everybody else who donated to the fund, deserve a full explanation of what happened.
Here is what I found on Google regarding the defense fund.
“Icke claimed via his website that Richard Warman (from Canada) was filing a lawsuit against him, because of what David Icke had written about him in one of his books (Children of the Matrix), David was asking people to donate money to his Legal Defense Fund during this time period.
Eventually he removed the donation pages from his website, but never announced the outcome of the ‘court case’. Did Richard Warman withdraw his threat to take David to court, or did he go ahead with it?
That in a nutshell was what I politely asked via his forum.
The next day, not only was my post removed from the forum, but my username was totally deleted.
Since then, there has been another court case involving ‘Royal Adams’, a person, who we are told, used to work closely with David Icke.”
Now, a couple of years back I opened a forum regarding the first case, within minutes I had 50+ responses from people in agreement.
An hour later, the thread was closed down.
I also received personal message from 6 other individuals saying that their threads on the same subject had also been shut down; in fact one member said he was never going to use the David Icke forum again and I have never seen or heard from him again.
Recently, I opened another thread on the same subject, which was closed within minutes.
I spoke to the moderator who said that this had been discussed in detail before and that there was no need to reopen it.
He also said that there were so many people criticizing and pointing accusations at David Icke, that this would only add fuel to the fire.
Now that’s fair enough, but I still argue my right to be heard.
He also gave me a link to details regarding the outcome of the Royal Adams case, which all looked official and above board.
However the Royal Adams case was not what I donated to, it was the Richard Warman case, of which I have heard nothing of the outcome.
I am writing this now as a last attempt to find reason from other members of the David Icke community.
I want to know what you think about all of this.
I also want to appeal to the moderators here, do not shut this thread down.
I appeal to your sense of what is right. I have said nothing offensive and am merely seeking information and clarification.
You have no right to shut my thread down, you may have the power, but that does not give you the right.
If this thread is shut down, then I will know that there is something very dodgy going on.
Feel free to respond, feel free to disagree, but do not deny me my voice to speak.
I am on the side of the light, and if that is where you stand then we are allies, so do not deny a fellow truth seeker the right to voice their concerns. For real.
Now, getting back to what Ivan Fraser said:
“I wish it to be known that I bear David Icke no malice over this affair and the reason for publishing this information is to seek clarification and also offer information of which most may not be aware.
My fears may be unfounded, but I feel that after reading this, you may see they are justified.
And if my fears have solid foundation, these issues need urgent clarification, both for the sake of David Icke and his readers.
My suspicions about Arizona Wilder (AW) first manifested the first time I heard of her.
Something in me said, ‘something isn’t right here’.
A familiar feeling which usually turns out to be trustworthy, as anyone who has read lifting the Veil knows.
She was not mentioned at all in the draft copy of The Biggest Secret (TBS) which I had read.
David had not met her yet.
When the book was released people started ringing me with questions like, ‘is it true about the reptiles’, and ‘is this stuff about the royal family true’.
At which time I replied that I thought it was, based on the fact that the version I had read stated only the theory of the reptilians and that certain of the Royals were involved in satanic rituals.
Soon I heard about Arizona Wilder.
I reviewed the book again, this time the printed version, and asked Linda Icke (the British manager of Bridge of Love) to send a copy of the video from which AW’s testimony was taken.
I was by this time very dubious about AW’s statements.
Her statements had already overshadowed those of Christine Fitzgerald, Princess Diana’s healer and confidante, which were prominent in the version I read and which were not so sensational.
However, Fitzgerald’s account may have been a ‘taster’ for what was to come, to ease the way for the far more incredible information which Wilder had to impart.”
I agree completely with Ivan’s speculation regarding Arizona Wilder.
Out of all of David’s research, Revelations of a Mother Goddess seems the most suspect, to me at least.
I do feel as if she is spreading disinformation, this is my opinion and I am entitled to it.
I would like to know what others feel about it, if I, and they, are given the chance to speak.
Anyhow, there are contradictions in David’s work. I just finished reading Love Changes Everything, which includes a number of channellings from a being named as Rakorski; here is what I have found regarding this:
“Several people claim to channel St Germain by name, but in Icke’s case he came through using the name “Rakorski.”
Despite communicating with many different channeled beings, this Rakorski turned out to be Icke’s primary source back then
+. From Love Changes Everything (The book largely channeled through Mari Shawsun):
Quote from: David Icke
Since the publication of The Truth Vibrations I have learned so much more as I have communicated almost daily with Rakorski, the one known as Lord of all Creation, who is directly responsible for the changes the Earth will undergo.
Here is what Icke said about Rakorski/St Germain specifically:
Quote from: David Icke
Our most memorable moment on the visit [to France] came when we arrived at the former home of the remarkable Frenchman, Count St. Germain, who in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries was dubbed the “Wonderman of Europe” for his feats and abilities.
One, so it was claimed, was the ability to disappear.
No-one knows how long he lived except that it was a very, very, long time. Voltaire called him “the man who never dies and who knows everything.”
It is widely held that the mind or aspect of Infinite Consciousness I call Rakorski had incarnated as St. Germain, and the moment we saw his house both Linda and I had the same reaction: wow!
We were both very moved just looking at the place and the energies were incredibly powerful.
It was lunchtime and we couldn’t go inside, but as I stood there a very clear thought came into my mind:
“You will come back here with your family and your new son next year (1993), and you will release energies that will have an enormous effect on the world.”
Again, we’ll have to see what happens.
But here’s something very interesting…
I did a little searching and found that Icke has something quite different to say about St Germain (and the “Ascended Masters”) nowadays.
Here’s an excerpt from The Biggest Secret.
I included some extra at the beginning, so you can get a feel for St Germain’s supposed friend William of Hesse-Hanau.
They want to know which are the reptile bloodlines because they know they will be easiest to ‘plug in’ to the reptilians on the lower fourth dimension.
This is one reason for the highly detailed genetic records kept by the Mormons, another Brotherhood operation at its top level.
So when people in power appear to have no blood links with these families, the opposite may be true.
A number of researchers believe Bill Clinton to be a closet Rockefeller and he is certainly blood-related to the British monarchy, every Scottish monarch, and King Robert I of France.
St Germain, now a ‘messiah’ figure to many New Agers, was a friend of William of Hesse-Hanau, and his brother, Karl.
Apparently, Karl wrote that Germain, an alchemist and magician, had been raised by the de Medici (Black Nobility) family in Italy.
Many New Agers today talk about the Great White Brotherhood of ‘master souls’, including Germain, who are communicating ‘guidance’ to channellers about the coming transformation.
This is yet another mind control operation by the Brotherhood to misdirect and imprison the more extreme of the New Age mentality and to stop it getting off its collective arse (and the ceiling) and so making a real difference. And
Quote from: David Icke
In the 18th century, a Matthew Kennedy from Ireland went to Paris to work with his good friend, the Illuminati frontman called Saint Germain, who presided over the Illuminati Lodge at Ermenonville near Paris.
The lodge took part in blood rituals on an altar made from human bones.
Any man can make mistakes or learn things which change his understanding.
But Icke doesn’t claim this. He does say his understanding has “grown” since his early days, but he has never come out and said he was dead wrong.
Besides, since he felt moved by such “incredibly powerful” energies while visiting St Germain’s old home, and received a prophetic message about returning, he was clearly convinced that St Germain was a positive force. And these methods of “knowing” things are what inspired his entire mindset.
Remember, according to Icke we need to trust our own guidance; if it “feels right” then it is right.
So if his “feelings” were mistaken about St Germain, how can we trust him about anything else?
This is why Icke can’t say “I was wrong” when it comes to things like this.
Instead he just hopes nobody notices the contradictions.
The autobiography is 17 years out of print, after all. How many people nowadays are ever going to read it?
And if any Icke followers do read it, how many will actually smell a rat?
Now, as I said already, i’m not trying to open up a can of worms, but some things do need to be pointed out and I want to know what others thinks regarding these topics, that is, if we are all given the chance to voice our concerns.
Here is more from Ivan regarding the same subject of Rakorski and St Germaine:
“I believed that he was educated and insightful when I read his first book and had no idea that the information that grabbed me had been taken lock stock and barrel from others.
I thought David was special because he was ‘in tune’ and because he reprinted his own and others’ psychic messages about him and what is going on in the world.
When he released his second book, I accepted his word when he said he was in almost daily communication with ascended masters, Jesus Christ, Rakorski, Saint Germain etc. But I know better now.
I accepted that his – what I would have judged otherwise intolerable – behaviour of flaunting his pregnant girlfiend in the face of his wife and expecting her to accept it because if she didn’t she didn’t understand unconditional love.
I know better now.
I accepted and was stunned by the conspiracy material in Robot’s Rebellion.
I thought his observations and witticisms were profound. That is, until I read Behold a Pale Horse by William Cooper which was where most of what I considered astute observations had been taken from, despite David saying directly that he had come up with, for example renaming the Protocols of the Elders of Zion the Illuminati Protocols to get away from the anti-Semitic tag.
I know better now.
I also know that half of Robot’s is erroneous, even Cooper himself stated that the alien agenda was a fake and he had been used as an unwitting dupe to perpetuate it.
And …and the truth was and still is in my opinion one of the best conspiracy books ever written.
But I know better now to understand that the alien links are erroneous, and that it is merely a collation of other people’s work, some of whom were not credited.
I know now that when David makes a profound statement, or a good witicism, it is most probably directly from someone else, who deserves the praise for it and the dollars.
I accepted that he published a book called Lifting The Veil, shortly after I gave him a copy of my own book called Lifting the Veil.
And on up to 1996, even when I was beginning to hear from various people who were consistently telling me that they had provided information for David, but were surprised at his lack of gratitude, I thought ‘ah well he’s a busy man and at the forefront of waking people up’.
And when people started telling me that Icke was brash and rude when not in the public eye, that he was egocentric and behaved like he really expected people to see him as a very important person, I thought they were just misreading a very talented and intelligent man whose spirituality was deep, and that he needed his style and ego to enable him to carry on and get into the limelight, and into the faces of those who needed to know such important truth.
But in September 1996, I was with a number of friends of David and Linda Icke who had been involved in helping him with his work.
Even they didn’t like him personally, found him rude, but believed the ‘work’ transcended any personal feelings. They introduced me to Linda.
The very first thing she said to me was ‘David isn’t the man you see on stage.
He doesn’t walk his talk.’
During the day she told me that she believed he was mixing with a crowd that were planting disinformation, and he was vulnerable to it because they were sycophantic-type women.
She told me that David had admitted having ego problems but felt he was over them, and asked Linda to tell him if she saw him going down the ‘ego road again’.
She said she tried, but he wasn’t receptive – he was too concerned with breaking America and his ego had been boosted by the success of …and the truth.
I STILL saw David as ‘the man’ for the job, but by then I had a very different view of him personally.
I felt sorry for Linda being treated like a doormat.
I realised that Icke had a very distorted opinion of himself, and that this delusion made him vulnerable to his naive view of the material he was writing.
I began to agree with those people i now knew, who had been involved with David from the early days, who almost to a person said they couldn’t stand the man personally, did not like his company, but believed he was the best person for the job.
But then, at that time, we all thought he was a very clever man with amazing powers of observation, and that the material he was writing was essentially the truth.
So I started to help him out by sending information.
I introduced him to the topic of satanic organisations, I introduced him to the first satanic cult mind control victim, I provided the first health-related material for his then David Icke/Bridge of Love newsletter 2 of which he put his own name to! I felt confident he would do the research and wasn’t afraid of breaking it into wider consciousness.
I had no idea he would make such a pig’s ear of the occult-related information and end up being the instigator of one of the biggest mythologies of our age – the reptilian aliens – and that he would demonise so much that provides the very keys of understanding Creation and the way things are created by the astral level of consciousness, which is controlled by the very forces operating through satanists and Illuminists, religions etc. I didn’t expect him to become the vehicle by which they could introduce a mass psychomemetic virus into the consciousness of those beginning to wake up.
And they achieved this quite easily because David Icke was seen by so many as an intelligent, astute, spiritual, nice, trustworthy, discerning and scholarly and special kind of person.
When he came up to meet Patti – the cult victim – I was really beginning to lose the veil I had with David.
But the work was important.
I saw first-hand what those people meant by him being rude.
The way he blanked Shona trying to tell him some important information about the occult (she knew a lot about it Icke didn’t, but he just talked her down).
And when he waltzed into my house and sat down without invitation then swiped my cat off the arm of the chair without a blink, I realised that he wasn’t spiritual at all.
All that unconditional love stuff is a front. He knows how to sell himself and make people fawn for his material, but when his act ends, the guy is in my view just a rude, arrogant, egomaniac who is struggling with his own masks and trying to convince himself that he’s very special.
That cat had more true spirituality in its paw than Icke has in his entire body.
So I stopped defending Icke, but I still promoted his work.
Until The Biggest Secret, that is, when I had really started investigating the references, and the subjects in earnest, and found so many errors, and so much ignorance of the subjects on his part that I could no longer ignore it.
But having tried to inform him and getting no feedback, but genuinely fearing for his welfare at the hands of organised disinformationists, I posted my concerns on his forum.
The rest is history – I became unceremonially ‘dumped’ in public for saying things on an uncensored forum of ‘the most controversial ayhtor and speaker in the world’.
And never once did he address any of my concerns or correct errors in his research.
Yes, he corrected a typo. is that a major point you are making? Please consider it in context.
From ‘buy the Truth Campaign, the magazine that tells it like it is’.
Suddenly it was nothing, and I was a disinformationist attacking Icke and his work for no discernible reason.
He plastered every page of his forum with his total disassociation with me and his site still bears The Truth About The Truth Campaign.
Despite informing him that he had misunderstood certain comments that I had made, and had been listening to people who were clearly part of an agenda to create turmoil on the board, discredit me and cause friction between the 2 of us (even the forum moderator told me that because she had access to the board data and knew that people were using multiple handles and playing games), he chose to take the position of self-righteous indignation and personal offence.
Hypocrite! How can a man who discredits individuals at the drop of a hat, says he speaks for truth, encourages people to ‘just say it’ when they feel they have important things to say, tells everyone to listen to contrasting opinions, and who openly writes frankly about his personal life choose to be offended by and refuse to listen to conflicting opinions and actively censor an uncensored platform?
But when I saw his words about me and The Truth Campaign, I saw just how manipulative and calculated a disinformationist he was.
And how cruel cold and heartless.
And I have seen much more of that since.
Additionally, I was now getting masses of mail and calls about reptilians. I was witnessing the unfolding of the damage his half-researched and erroneous material was having on people.
People were one step from the mental hospital – they were in fear, depressed, feeling helpless, and some had started hallucinating, hearing hissing voices and being convinced the reps were everywhere, from their friends and family to hiding in the house.
I had to spend quite a bit of time with some to help them through their delusions and happily, it was successful. But I can’t be there for everyone.
At that time I was quite saddened but very very angry.
Angry that I had laboured under an illusion for so long, and furious that he would behave so dishonestly and against everything he publicly projects onto others.
I’d needed to experience it first-hand to break the last of the spell. But over the years I have heard from numerous sources how this kind of behaviour is nothing new.
It’s a common theme that i hear – such as the opinions of Jordan Maxwell and others who claim he has taken and given nothing and unceremonially dumped them when they were no longer useful.
But I still sent him free copies of my magazine.
And I saw his style shift slightly towards that in my own work and in the magazine. Our articles about the illusory nature of reality, the nonphysical nature of the ‘reptilians’ and their illusory nature started creeping into his work.
He started contradicting himself and seemed to be finding it difficult to correlate a cogent definition of what the reptilians were.
After exposing the fake et agenda in my magazine, I noticed he wasn’t giving space to ET reptiles anymore.
But never once did he ever say he was mistaken.
He just steamrolls ahead, changing his mind about things and gradually moving from one interpretation to another via a process of contradictions.
Things he used to mock others for, he later accepts.”
Now, I dont know how much is true. Buy Ivan does seem to have some valid points; so why should his views, as well as mine, and many others, be censored from this forum.
Open your minds to everything, not just what you feel comfortable with.
Once again I ask that the forum moderators be open minded and open to the pursuit of infomation, right or wrong.
Everything needs to be questioned. Listen to what Icke says and listen to the alternatives.
This has to be done to maintain balance, and as Icke said himself, balance is the key to understanding.
I express infinite love to you all, and I really hope this gets read and that we are all given the chance to speak about it.
I would love to know your opinions, including those of the moderators on this forum.
You guys can help clarify a lot of things for us, so help us understand, do not censor us unneccessarily.
I will leave on this,
I am very grateful to David Icke for expanding my understanding, however now, my understanding has grown beyond his words and I am no longer his follower (I doubt he would want me to be anyway).
I am now his ally in the pursuit of truth and I see us, as well as everyone else reading this now, as equals.
We are all part of the same whole, one unique aspect of the divine, so rather than fighting about what we disagree on, lets unite on what we do agree on.
All things aside, everyone has the right to a voice.
So let mine be heard, let others have the chance to respond to my concerns, and if you feel you can, help to eliviate my concerns.
Peace, Love and Respect.